1632 series reading order

Recommended reading order for the 1632 series
(aka the Ring of Fire series)

By Eric Flint
March 27, 2019

Whenever someone asks me “what’s the right order?” for reading the 1632 series, I’m always tempted to respond: “I have no idea. What’s the right order for studying the Thirty Years War? If you find it, apply that same method to the 1632 series.”

However, that would be a bit churlish—and when it comes down to it, authors depend upon the goodwill of their readers. So, as best I can, here goes.

The first book in the series, obviously, is 1632. That is the foundation novel for the entire series and the only one whose place in the sequence is definitely fixed.

Thereafter, you should read either the anthology titled Ring of Fire or the novel 1633, which I co-authored with David Weber. It really doesn’t matter that much which of these two volumes you read first, so long as you read them both before proceeding onward. That said, if I’m pinned against the wall and threatened with bodily harm, I’d recommend that you read Ring of Fire before you read 1633.

That’s because 1633 has a sequel which is so closely tied to it that the two volumes almost constitute one single huge novel. So, I suppose you’d do well to read them back to back. That sequel is 1634: The Baltic War, which I also co-authored with David Weber.

Once you’ve read those four books—to recapitulate, the three novels (1632, 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War) and the Ring of Fire anthology—you can now choose one of two major alternative ways of reading the series.

The first way, which I’ll call “spinal,” is to begin by reading all of the novels in what I will call the main line of the series. As of now, the main line consists of these seven novels:

1633 (with David Weber)
1634: The Baltic War (with David Weber)
1635: The Eastern Front
1636: The Saxon Uprising
1636: The Ottoman Onslaught
1637: The Polish Maelstrom

All of these novels except the two I did with David Weber were written by me as the sole author. The next main line novel, whose working title is 1637: The Adriatic Decision, I will be writing with Chuck Gannon. (Dr. Charles E. Gannon, if you want to get formal about it.) That novel probably won’t come out until sometime in 2020, however, because there are one or two novels that have to be written first, in order to lay the basis for it.

I call this the “main line” of the Ring of Fire series for two reasons. First, because it’s in these seven novels that I depict most of the major political and military developments which have a tremendous impact on the entire complex of stories. Secondly, because these “main line” volumes focus on certain key characters in the series. Four of them, in particular: Mike Stearns and Rebecca Abrabanel, first and foremost, as well as Gretchen Richter and Jeff Higgins.

The other major alternative way to read the series is what I will call “comprehensive.” This approach ignores the special place of the main line novels and simply reads the series as an integral whole—i.e., reading each novel and anthology more or less in chronological sequence. (I’m referring to the chronology of the series itself, not the order in which the books were published. The two are by no means identical.)

The advantage to following the spinal way of reading the series is that it’s easier to follow since all of these novels are direct sequels to each other. You don’t have to deal with the complexity of reading all the branching stories at the same time. Once you’ve finished the main line novels, assuming you’re enjoying the series enough to want to continue, you can then go back and start reading the other books following the order I’ve laid out below.

The disadvantage to using the spinal method is that you’re going to run into spoilers. Most of the major political and military developments are depicted in the main line novels, but by no means all of them. So if spoilers really bother you, I’d recommend using the comprehensive approach.

All right. From here on, I’ll be laying out the comprehensive approach to the series. If you’ve decided to follow the spinal method, you can follow this same order of reading by just skipping the books you’ve already read.

Once you’ve read 1632, Ring of Fire, 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War, you will have a firm grasp of the basic framework of the series. From there, you can go in one of two directions: either read 1634: The Ram Rebellion or 1634: The Galileo Affair.

There are advantages and disadvantages either way. 1634: The Ram Rebellion is an oddball volume, which has some of the characteristics of an anthology and some of the characteristics of a novel. It’s perhaps a more challenging book to read than the Galileo volume, but it also has the virtue of being more closely tied to the main line books. Ram Rebellion is the first of several volumes which basically run parallel with the main line volumes but on what you might call a lower level of narrative. A more positive way of putting that is that these volumes depict the changes produced by the major developments in the main line novels, as those changes are seen by people who are much closer to the ground than the characters who figure so prominently in books like 1632, 1633, and 1634: The Baltic War.

Of course, the distinction is only approximate. There are plenty of characters in the main line novels—Thorsten Engler and Eric Krenz spring immediately to mind—who are every bit as “close to the ground” as any of the characters in 1634: The Ram Rebellion. And the major characters in the series will often appear in stories outside of the main line.

Whichever book you read first, I do recommend that you read both of them before you move on to 1634: The Bavarian Crisis. In a way, that’s too bad, because Bavarian Crisis is something of a direct sequel to 1634: The Baltic War. The problem with going immediately from Baltic War to Bavarian Crisis, however, is that there is a major political development portrayed at length and in great detail in 1634: The Galileo Affair which antedates the events portrayed in the Bavarian story.

Still, you could read any one of those three volumes—to remind you, these are 1634: The Ram Rebellion, 1634: The Galileo Affair and 1634: The Bavarian Crisis—in any order you choose. Just keep in mind that if you read the Bavarian book before the other two you will be getting at least one major development out of chronological sequence.

After those three books are read, you should read 1635: A Parcel of Rogues, which I co-authored with Andrew Dennis. That’s one of the two sequels to 1634: The Baltic War, the other one being 1635: The Eastern Front. The reason you should read Parcel of Rogues at this point is that most of it takes place in the year 1634.

Thereafter, again, it’s something of a toss-up between three more volumes: the second Ring of Fire anthology and the two novels, 1635: The Cannon Law and 1635: The Dreeson Incident. On balance, though, I’d recommend reading them in this order because you’ll get more in the way of a chronological sequence:

Ring of Fire II
1635: The Cannon Law
1635: The Dreeson Incident

          The time frame involved here is by no means rigidly sequential, and there are plenty of complexities involved. To name just one, my story in the second Ring of Fire anthology, the short novel “The Austro-Hungarian Connection,” is simultaneously a sequel to Virginia’s story in the same anthology, several stories in various issues of the Gazette—as well as my short novel in the first Ring of Fire anthology, The Wallenstein Gambit.

What can I say? It’s a messy world—as is the real one. Still and all, I think the reading order recommended above is certainly as good as any and probably the best.

We come now to Virginia DeMarce’s 1635: The Tangled Web. This collection of inter-related stories runs parallel to many of the episodes in 1635: The Dreeson Incident. This volume is also where the character of Tata who figures in Eastern Front and Saxon Uprising is first introduced in the series.

You should then backtrack a little and read 1635: The Papal Stakes, which is the direct sequel to 1635: The Cannon Law. And you could also read Anette Pedersen’s 1635: The Wars for the Rhine.

You can then go back to the “main line” of the series and read 1635: The Eastern Front and 1636: The Saxon Uprising. I strongly recommend reading them back to back. These two books were originally intended to be a single novel, which I wound up breaking in half because the story got too long. They read better in tandem.

Then, read Ring of Fire III. My story in that volume is directly connected to 1636: The Saxon Uprising and lays some of the basis for the sequel to that novel, 1636: The Ottoman Onslaught. After that, read 1636: The Kremlin Games. That novel isn’t closely related to any other novel in the series—with the exception of its own sequel—so you can read it almost any time after reading the first few volumes. While you’re at it, you may as well read the sequel, 1637: The Volga Rules. You’ll be a little out of sequence with the rest of the series, but it doesn’t matter because at this point the Russian story line still largely operates independently.

Thereafter, the series branches out even further and there are several books you should read. I’d recommend the following order, but in truth it doesn’t really matter all that much which order you follow in this stretch of the series:

1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies picks up on the adventures of Eddie Cantrell following the events depicted in 1634: The Baltic War.

1636: The Cardinal Virtues depicts the opening of the French civil war which was also produced by the events related in The Baltic War and which has been foreshadowed in a number of stories following that novel. 1636: The Vatican Sanction picks up the “Italian line” in the series, which follows the adventures of Sharon Nichols and Ruy Sanchez.

Iver Cooper’s 1636: Seas of Fortune takes place in the Far East and in the New World. The portion of it titled “Stretching Out” has a few spoilers to Commander Cantrell in the West Indies and vice versa, but nothing too important

1636: The Devil’s Opera takes place in Magdeburg and might have some spoilers if you haven’t read Saxon Uprising. My co-author on this novel, David Carrico, also has an e-book available titled 1635: Music and Murder which contains stories published in various anthologies that provide much of the background to The Devil’s Opera.

1636: The Viennese Waltz comes after Saxon Uprising in the sense that nothing in it will be spoiled by anything in Saxon Uprising but you might find out Mike’s whereabouts early if you read it first. On the other hand, the e-book 1636: The Barbie Consortium (the authors of which are Gorg Huff and Paula Goodlett) is a direct prequel to Viennese Waltz and should be read first if you want to be introduced to the young ladies dancing the Viennese Waltz.

1636: The Viennese Waltz is also one of the three immediate prequels to the next main line novel in the series, which is 1636: The Ottoman Onslaught. If you’re wondering, the other two immediate prequels are 1636: The Saxon Uprising and my short novel “Four Days on the Danube,” which was published in Ring of Fire III.

The next volumes you should look are these:

Ring of Fire IV (May, 2016). There are a number of stories in this volume written by different authors including David Brin. From the standpoint of the series’ reading order, however, probably the most important is my own story “Scarface.” This short novel serves simultaneously as a sequel to The Papal Stakes and The Dreeson Incident, in that the story depicts the further adventures of Harry Lefferts after Papal Stakes and Ron Stone and Missy Jenkins following The Dreeson Incident.

1636: The Chronicles of Dr. Gribbleflotz, by Kerryn Offord and Rick Boatright (August, 2016). As with The Devil’s Opera, this is a story set in the middle of the United States of Europe as it evolves. In this case, relating the adventures of a seventeenth century scholar—a descendant of the great Paracelsus—who becomes wealthy by translating the fuzzy and erroneous American notions of “chemistry” into the scientific precision of alchemy.

Then you should return to the main line of the series by reading, back to back, my two novels 1636: The Ottoman Onslaught (January, 2017) and 1637: The Polish Maelstrom (March, 2019).

Following those two, read two novels that are “outliers,” so to speak. Those are 1636: Mission to the Mughals (April, 2017) and 1636: The China Venture (forthcoming November, 2019). Keep in mind that the term “outliers” is always subject to modification in the Ring of Fire series. Right now, those stories taking place in (respectively) India and China don’t have much direct connection to the rest of the series. But it’s a small world in fiction just as it is in real life, so you never know what the future might bring.

That leaves the various issues of the Gazette, which are really hard to fit into any precise sequence. The truth is, you can read them pretty much any time you choose.

It would be well-nigh impossible for me to provide any usable framework for the eighty-two electronic issues of the magazine, so I will restrict myself simply to the eight volumes of the Gazette which have appeared in paper editions. With the caveat that there is plenty of latitude, I’d suggest reading them as follows:

Read Gazette I after you’ve read 1632 and alongside Ring of Fire. Read Gazettes II and III alongside 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War, whenever you’re in the mood for short fiction. Do the same for Gazette IV, alongside the next three books in the sequence, 1634: The Ram Rebellion, 1634: The Galileo Affair and 1634: The Bavarian Crisis. Then read Gazette V after you’ve read Ring of Fire II, since my story in Gazette V is something of a direct sequel to my story in the Ring of Fire volume. You can read Gazette V alongside 1635: The Cannon Law and 1635: The Dreeson Incident whenever you’re in the mood for short fiction. Gazette VI can be read thereafter, along with the next batch of novels recommended.

I’d recommend reading Grantville Gazette VII any time after you’ve read 1636: The Cardinal Virtues. And you can read Grantville Gazette VIII any time thereafter as well.


And… that’s it, as of now. There are a lot more volumes coming.

For those of you who dote on lists, here it is. But do keep in mind, when you examine this neatly ordered sequence, that the map is not the territory.

Ring of Fire
1634: The Baltic War

(Somewhere along the way, after you’ve finished 1632, read the stories and articles in the first three paper edition volumes of the Gazette.)

1634: The Ram Rebellion
1634: The Galileo Affair
1634: The Bavarian Crisis
1635: A Parcel of Rogues

(Somewhere along the way, read the stories and articles in the fourth paper edition volume of the Gazette.)

Ring of Fire II
1635: The Cannon Law
1635: The Dreeson Incident
1635: The Tangled Web
(by Virginia DeMarce)
(Somewhere along the way, read the stories in Gazette V.
1635: The Papal Stakes
1635: The Eastern Front
1636: The Saxon Uprising
Ring of Fire III
1636: The Kremlin Games
1637: The Volga Rules

(Somewhere along the way, read the stories in Gazette VI.)

1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies
1636: The Cardinal Virtues
1636: The Vatican Sanction
1635: Music and Murder
(by David Carrico—this is an e-book edition only)
1636: The Devil’s Opera
1636: Seas of Fortune
(by Iver Cooper)
1636: The Barbie Consortium (by Gorg Huff and Paula Goodlett—this is an e-book edition only)
1636: The Viennese Waltz
(Somewhere along the way, read the stories in Gazette VII and Gazette VIII.)
Ring of Fire IV
1636: The Chronicles of Dr. Gribbleflotz
1636: The Ottoman Onslaught
1637: The Polish Maelstrom
1636: Mission to the Mughals
1636: The China Venture 

Eric Flint
March 2019

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  2. John Cromwell says:

    Will you ever publish “Escape from the Tower”?

  3. Old Reader says:

    This page is in serious need of updating! There is a confusion of titles available on Amazon that come AFTER this reading timeline.

  4. Colleen says:

    I recently began reading the Ring of Fire series and am enjoying them very much. I enjoy fiction because it transports me to interesting, fun adventures. I certainly don’t expect the story to be real…but it should at least be realistic. Which most of the Ring of Fire storylines have been, save one. And the storyline which is not believable has both confused and, to be honest, made me more than bit angry. I am speakng of the the ending of the book “1633”. If the president of the USA placed me under the rule of a King, I would rise up and ….well, I am not sure what I would do because it is so completely insane I can’t even imagin what I would do… but I promis it would be intense. Yet, in the book “1633” Presidend Stearn does exactly that without even so much as a “Howdy do” to congress. I assumed that Mike Stearns teasonous betrayal of the up-timers and new US citizens would be addressed in a following book, but no….Mike wasn’t arrested, tried and hung for teason. Why wasn’t he? Did I miss something in a later book?

    • Jillian says:

      This angered me too, but I figured Mike acted out of necessity, to ally Grantville with someone strong enough to keep them from being wiped out. Remember, it’s like Mike said, this is America in 1781 (Articles of Confederation, ultimately a necessary but temporary measure) not America in 1789 (Constitution). So putting the New U.S. under a King is just a necessary but temporary measure. Although Gustav may not know about the temporary bit. I think the day will come when Richelieu and the other threats are defanged when Grantville, et al, will secede from Gustav’s empire and boy will Gustav be surprised! Or maybe he will convert to the American way of thinking and disclaim authority first over the New U.S. or CPE or whatever they are calling it then.

      • Ray says:

        Most people in the NUS were not up-timers, the down-timers, who made up the vast majority of the population, would be more reassured by a monarch as a figurehead rather than a nebulous “government” (which word did not even exist as a noun at the time). Also he’s not a “King” in the NUS he’s the “Captain General”, in practical terms that means he’s a war leader IN THE FIELD, not a “Commander in Chief” in the way our modern presidents are (Marion Zimmer-Bradley discusses this view of kings in The Mists of Avalon when describing the role of Celtic chieftains prior to the High Kings of England and Roman Rule). His other role is to give the other monarchs of Europe some one they will accept as a person to deal with– this is actually extremely important since most of them wouldn’t give a commoner the time of day. The up-timers were really in no position to go it alone for any length of time and the USE won’t be either, in terms of military strength, for a couple of generations. The two biggest reasons the USA in our real history was able to survive early on were in a nutshell: France and the Atlantic Ocean. France having launched its own revolution was in a position to help the US, and let’s not forget what they had to go through to achieve that: the “Reign of Terror” (something I’m sure most sane people would rather avoid), that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocents and not just nobles; scientists such as Lavosier (one of the founders of modern Chemistry), and countless numbers of political rivals to those in a position to order the executions and lynchings. Even then France ended up with Napoleon. The USA’s Revolution was financed by a Nobleman– the Marquis de Lafayette. The US government agreed to name a town in every state after him b/c of it, and streets in most cities (think about how many Fayettevilles there are). The Atlantic Ocean also helped protect the fledgling republic. Also remember that at the time of the Ring of Fire series most republics were not in the business of protecting the interests of the plebes, rather they were oligarchies set up by the aristocracy and great merchants (this is one of the reasons the Roman Republic fell, Caesar was VERY popular with the commoners). So in the end it becomes a practical matter the USE needs Gustav, and will probably need Kristina for a time at least. After that the they will probably retire to the role of national symbols as with most modern monarchs today. They might even abdicate the throne (as Kristina did in real life, though she remained a royal). Ulrik and Kristina may even renounce their titles as a symbolic revolutionary gesture at some point, or in order to hold some other office. My great-great-grandfather did just that (noble not royal) and became a colonel in Cuba’s War of Independence, though he didn’t have to (no I’m not rich nor is my family Fidel Castro saw to that).

        • Vukota XIII says:

          Speaking of kings, France’s revolution actually didn’t start until 1789, while ours ended a few years earlier, thanks to Louis XVI [who was helping us mainly because it annoyed the British]. Some historians think if he hadn’t gone so far into hock to pay for aid to the Americans, he wouldn’t have had to call an Estates-General meeting to raise more money, which led to the rest of it.

      • Aaron says:

        More easily, the term “King” will somehow be equated with the word “Governor” (e.g., Your Royal Governor or Your Royal President) such that Kings will still be kings while part of a “United States”. Similar to how it is done per 1632/34–with a different “Title” applied to Gustav.

    • Christopher says:

      He wasn’t because the NUS was already part of the CPE at the end of 1632, which was a decision Mike Stearns did go over with the rest of the government. At the end of 1633, Stearns merely reforms the CPE into the United States of Europe as a Constitutional Monarchy, which is actually a step forward towards a true Republic as we know it. Previously, the CPE had been more in the way of a loose alliance, where now it became a true nation under command of the Vasa dynasty. The NUS still retained the stipulation that the Vasa dynasty would have limited say in the territory, and would officially be designated “Captain Generals” when in the territory.

      The rough equivalent would be much of modern Europe, where many kings and queens still rule, but have strict restrictions on what actions they can take through the constitutions of their states. If they were smart, which they are, the people of the NUS would recognize this, and go along with it to give them the ability to survive the war. They’d know, or have others among their friends who could explain to them, that constitutional monarchies like this were exactly the models that led directly to breaking the power of the monarchs and the aristocracy.

  5. Bill Lumpkin says:

    Just finished 1636: The Devil’s Opera. This is a fine work, possibly the best of the series. Though I’m not into music as such, I really enjoyed the work, and found the characters life like and very interesting. I particularly enjoyed the characters Simon and Hans. I only hope that there are many more works in this series.

  6. Nina says:

    In the info on what order to read books in There’s mention of an ‘anthology’ titled “1635 The Wars on the Rhine” – I could not find it listed on Amazon, Audible, or anywhere in my state’s library electronic or paper book catalog? It is NOT listed in the recap of reading order either, what’s up w/that? Was that a mistake or am I missing something here? Also what about 1636 Seas of Fortune by Iver Cooper? Who is that ? That author isn’t listed in library catalog or on Audible either? Why are SO MANY of the books not available on audio? Last question: When will “1636 Commander Cantrell in the West Indies” be available on Audible? Amazon says will be hard cover will released June 2014.

    • Eric Flint says:

      To reply to your questions in order:

      I decided to scrap the Wars on the Rhine anthology for various reasons which are too involved to go into here. Of the two completed stories planned for that volume, Virginia DeMarce’s “An Uneasy Kind of Peace” is being serialized in the Grantville Gazette — starting in this month’s issue — and will eventually be reissued as an e-book (also available in paper on a print-on-demand basis). Anette Pedersen’s story will come out in the Ring of Fire IV anthology — as will the story I’d planned to write for the Wars on the Rhine anthology.

      I have no control over Audible’s production schedule. I’m told that eventually they will issue all the 1632 series — at least the novels; I’m not sure about the anthologies — in audio. But I do not know when and in what order.

      • David says:

        Update on Anette’s story: it ended up not being included in Ring of Fire IV. Eric decided to push her to make a full-blown novel out of it, and Baen is going to publish it as 1635: The Wars for the Rhine in December 2016 as a trade paperback. Congrats to Anette!

  7. Jean Claude says:

    I just finish reading Interlude by David Carrico (Grantville Gazette #28).

    Is it really necessary to continuously publish fundamentalist Christian PR? It is disheartening to see a philosophical discussion turned into a religious one with all Up-timers agreeing.

    Seeing that even the most fundamental ideas of Enlightenment are heavily ignored whenever Uptime characters are confronted with middle-age religious fundamentalism is incredibly sad. It makes me angry.

    I love the series but to me, as a modern Christian, it is highly annoying to repeatedly see the seemingly same few authors turning it into a tool of close minded Christian propaganda.

    Could we please consider in future discussions that not everyone living in the 20th century is a highly religious person? Could please consider three centuries of modern philosophy? Could we please recognize that modern societies are coined by their wide spectrum of world views?

    • Eric Flint says:

      I find your comments frankly puzzling. Given that:

      1) I am a hardcore atheist;
      2) The central hero of the series (Mike Stearns) is an agnostic;
      3) One of the two major female characters (Rebecca Abrabanel) is Jewish, and while she follows most of Judaism’s customs — as defined in the 17th century — she is theologically a free-thinker;
      4) The other major female character (Gretchen Richter) is nominally a Catholic but her life’s experience has made her highly skeptical of religious orthodoxies and (especially) religious hierarchies;
      5) The second most important up-time male character (Jeff Higgins) has no religious beliefs at all, so far as has ever been established in the series;
      6) The third most important up-time male character (Eddie Cantrell) also has no religious beliefs at all, so far as we know;
      7) The most important up-time Jewish characters (Morris and Judith Roth) are Reform Jews and Morris is pretty hostile to orthodox Judaism…

      I could continue in this vein for a very long time but after a while it seems pointless. I have no idea why you think the 1632 series in general is weighted toward fundamentalism, nor why David Carrico in particular is engaged on “close minded Christian propaganda.” Some space is given to developing what you might call “fundamentalist” religious views, sure. The setting is the Thirty Years War — which, at least on the surface, was the great religious war in modern European history. You CAN’T depict it intelligently without depicting the religious attitudes of the time.

      For the record, by the way, if David Carrico is a fundamentalist Christian I am not aware of it. I’ve spent many hours in his company (and his wife’s) and while I don’t recall ever discussing his religious opinions, he has never expressed any such attitudes or views. I think you are confusing the author with his characters, which can often be two very different things.

      • Drak Bibliophile says:

        I just read David Carrico’s “Interlude” and can’t understand why anybody would see it as “fundamentalist Christian PR”.

        For that matter, if “fundamentalism equals closed-mindedness”, there are plenty of modern atheists and modern Christians who could be considered fundamentalists. [Sad Smile]

        • Lately I’ve been thinking that the “fundamentalist” wing of atheism might be more properly termed anti-theist. A small difference, but perhaps important? Not all the atheists in the world are like Dawkins.

      • Bret Hooper says:

        Eric: 1) I, too, am a hardcore atheist, albeit I have a lot of respect for Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, and various other religious leaders, e.g. Martin Luther King, Yitzhak Rabin, and John XXIII (and a lot of disrespect for others, e.g. Jerry Falwell).
        I felt like cheering when Don Francisco ordered the execution of three inquisitors who had rounded up the Jews for execution and objected strenuously to Don Fernando’s order to release those Jews.

        3, 7) Becky’s hostility for some rabbis of Amsterdam seems to me to at least equal Morris Roth’s hostility to some orthodox rabbis.

      • David says:

        I’m coming very late to this party. I totally missed this when it originally appeared. For the record, yes, I am a conservative Christian (which is not at all the same as the modern “fundamentalism”), but that has nothing to do with why Interlude was written the way it was.

        First of all, as Eric already said, this was a period of time where religion was a huge part of everyone’s lives…and deaths, as well. The characters in the discussion were all religiously affiliated to one degree or another. Schütz had been the Lutheran kapellmeister for John George of Saxony, and was now the Lutheran kapellmeister for Gustav in Magdeburg. One of his major responsibilities was writing ceremonial and liturgical music for the church. Carissimi was all but a member of the Catholic clergy…in our time line, he did eventually take holy orders. Johann Bach had been the assistant to the Stadtpfeifer of another city, so much of his background would also have been involved with the Lutheran church. And Marla was a staunch Methodist. So this is not unfamiliar territory for them.

        Second, one of the sub-themes of the series is the changes that bringing 369 years of knowledge–including religious thinking–back to the past would introduce. These kinds of religious conversations would have occurred frequently, sparked by anything and everything up-timer. It would be intellectually dishonest to say they wouldn’t, and it would be both intellectually dishonest and authorially fruitless to pretend that the up-timers would just dictate to all comers what the “truth” really was.

        Third, Interlude is the third story in an extended story arc which has been on hold since Interlude was published because I’ve been busy writing novels. So you’re in the middle of the big story, and you have no idea what the function of this segment is. It does have a function, and you will see it when the story arc is completed. (I plan to return to it as soon as I finish the project I’m on, perhaps in a couple of months or so.)

        Fourth, note that the conclusion of the discussion is more or less “Do all things to the glory of God.” For anyone who calls themselves a Christian, that should be an acceptable and admirable statement. Certainly the characters seem to think so.

        Fifth, I don’t proselityze in my fiction writing. You’re reading way more into that story than I ever put there.


        • Bill S says:

          I have appreciated the respectful way religious faith is portrayed in the 1632-universe. I have used the conversations with Pope Urban VIII from The Papal Stakes centered around the Good Samaritan and characters’ discussions about the Holy Spirit in the Grantville Gazette series Turn Your Radio On in my Bible study.
          I think it’s very obvious Eric is doing his best to stomp out anti-Semitism everywhere uptimers have any influence.

      • Scott Hedrick says:

        I was struggling through one of the Grantville Gazette stories, seriously wishing there was far less religion in the series, but if that were so it would undercut much of the narrative. Most Americans that profess, even the highly religious ones, are playacting compared to how serious some people held there religion in in the 1600s (and even how some parts of the world behave today). We’ve had freedom of religion almost from the beginning, so having an official state religion and being exiled or executed for not belonging is so far out of our experience that we simply cannot relate. The religious issues brought up in the stories were very real for their time, and then we Americans drop in and toss truckloads of fire on the mix. One part of me says that the various religious authorities are caving in to the changes a little too easily, but the other part says that, no matter what we may think, others were realists and realized that change was going to happen and opposing it would make things far worse for far longer, while adapting to it provided the opportunity for guidance and maybe less fighting.

        I hadn’t read and had really only heard of this series about a month before meeting you at Necronomicon in Tampa last year. We strongly differ politically and it was wonderful to have an intelligent conversation about issues. I have since more than made up for lost time; I estimate I read about 500 pages yesterday alone of Grantville Gazette I and II. Wouldn’t mind having a print of the covers of Gazette I and III on my office wall. In the end, every form of government is a democracy, since power lasts only as long as the people allow it. In 1632, the people start waking up. Grantville brought weapons far more powerful than atomic bombs- Grantville brought ideas. Science fiction is misnamed, because it’s seldom about the science or technology, at least the good stuff isn’t; it’s a what if, and in this case, we are exploring the what if we introduced American ideas to a nasty world? Religious ideas are part of that, and it’s right to explore them.

    • Marc Hopkins says:

      The complaint doesn’t make any sense in the context of the historical period. Publications that we would never consider anything more than purely secular in the current day and age, were rife with invocations to God in that day and age. The various doctrine were in regular debate. Those publications reflected the vernacular of the period.

      For a 1632 author to ignore, skim over, or corrupt that integral aspect of historical society, vernacular reference and attitude, would detract from the carefully constructed nature of this quasi-historical story line.

      If any of the 1632 authors were to strip all those religious references you hate out, they would be converting historical characters into modern people who wear funny clothes and have no tech. Successful authors spend no small amount of time crafting believable characters, not necessarily ones that won’t offend your sensibilities.

      I was impressed by both how respectful the storyline was to the various religious, as well as how many common misconceptions of the historical record were avoided (Galileo Affair, for example). Eric Flint, et al, have done a masterful job of depicting this mélange of historically accurate attitudes with a large dose of hillbilly. The large number of authors Eric allowed into this universe has added a certain piquancy to the story line. The different topics and circuitous approach taken to “filling in the blanks,” make these very fun reads.

      I think my only complaint is that Eric doesn’t have control over Audible’s publishing schedule.
      . . . and they, clearly, haven’t referred to this webpage for a publishing order. Tsk, tsk.

    • Alicia says:

      Umm… I don’t even know what to think about this statement. Not only are you completely ignoring the time period of the characters, but you’re also ignoring the time and place the uptimers come from. I’ve spent time in some of the Appalachian coal mining towns like Grantville, and I can tell you that even today there are places where the church’s seem to out number the people. 16 years ago it was even worse. So of course a disproportionate number of people would profess to be (at least culturally) some kind of Christian. Church going is part of the culture of the region, even for the people who don’t actually believe it.

  8. Matthew Chamberlainl says:

    I am VERY disappointed. I love everything that you write. BUT, I do NOT read anthologies or short stories except as written in magazines or on a stand alone basis.

    I feel that I have been robbed by the “1635: The Tangled Web” “novel” written by Virginia DeMarce. Since when do historical background notes and timelines or edited excerpts pass off as a novel??? You owe me $8.00.

    Matthew Chamberlain

    • Eric Flint says:

      For Pete’s sake, do you ever bother to look at a book before you buy it? If you had, you would have realized that the volume consisted of a compilation of stories, not a novel. That is made clear in the back cover copy, it is explicit in the Table of Contents — and I describe it in detail in my preface to the volume. And given the prominence of short fiction in the series — twelve out of the twenty-three volumes so far published in the series are anthologies, not novels — it’s something you should have thought of immediately, if you’re that opposed to reading compilations of short fiction.

      If you still insist on being reimbursed, fine. But I’m only reimbursing you for what I got in royalties. If you want the rest of the eight dollars, get in touch with the publisher. Since you paid $8.00, you must have gotten a mass market paperback copy. (The trade paperback is $16 and the e-book is $6.99.) With mass market paperback sales, my royalties are 8% of the cover price. That’s what _I_ got from your purchase. That comes to 64 cents. (Actually, it came to 32 cents since I split the money with Virginia, but never mind — I’ll cover her half of it.)

      So send me a street address or an email address I can use with PayPal and I’ll send you 64 cents. And in the future, take the time to look at a book before you pay for it.

      • Steven says:

        OMG, I love your books, and with this comment, I believe you are my favorite author ever! I’ll buy another book just to cover this IDIOT’s reimbursements!

        • I second that sentiment!

        • Scott Hedrick says:

          After finally getting around to reading the first book, after Mr. Flint so kindly signed it for me, I have since bought nearly all of the mass market paperbacks and have read 5 of them. This is going to lead to an addiction crisis very soon. Yes, I read the bloody covers and table of contents and can tell the difference between a novel, series of novellas and an anthology. Too bad others can’t do the same. The short stories fill in a lot of details that can’t be intelligently stretched into a longer story and that would detract from much larger ones. I found the article about the use of radio in the timeperiod interesting- the advancement of radio technology is likely to be stifled for years because of the sunspot issue.

      • David LaForge says:

        Eric – I love your books and your quick witty banter in your responses. Keep up the good work!!

  9. An Innocent Bibliophile...I mean Bystander... says:

    First of all…you, Mr. Flint, absolutely ROCK. I already loved you for your work, and I thought I’d like you based on opinions on various subjects that you’ve published such as…that thing…it starts with a p…obscure word…it’s in the baen free library! Gah. You talk about ebooks and copyright and there are letters…you wexplain the word’s meaning in the preface. Maybe it doesn’t even start with p. I don’t know what to believe anymore…heh. Anyway, the way you expressed your thoughts there, and elsewhere, led me to think I would enjoy an opportunity to talk to you. What just clinched it though, was your response to the above commenter! 64 cents indeed! I’ve no doubt whatsoever that you were accurate, it’s just that the response, so polite, yet with a chastening bite, given that much more weight for its mannerliness. Delightful. An author who can respond that way, heck, a person who can respond that way to that sort of -IMO- boorish comment is someone I’d undoubtedly enjoy talking to. Thanks for making me smile on a day I hadn’t yet. On a side note, and why I was originally going to comment, do you think you could update this page? For instance, devils opera, commander Cantrell west indies, etc. I was reading the commander Cantrell snippets, and Mike McCarthy mentioned a treaty with the French, which made me wonder when that happened, which made me wonder which books came immediately before that one. Pardon my terrible grammar etc. I have a virus, and my writing brain seems to be the one with the fever. Moving on, it really would be fantastic if you could nip those in there, maybe into the list at the bottom? Idk how involved that would be though, so apologies if the commenter doth protest too much. ;) Be well!

    • Eric Flint says:

      The page has been updated. It took much longer than I planned because my webmaster got tied up with various problems and couldn’t get around to posting the new material for a while.

      • DVK says:

        Eric – first off, thank you for creating and expanding this wonderful world. Never mind making the effort to provide reading order! Second, while the most recent update (as per your last comment) should be from March 20th, the current text does not cover the 3 new books I see on Amazon: “1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies” (that one has an excuse of not being released till June :); “1636: The Devil’s Opera”; and “1636: Seas of Fortune”. Could you please include those?

        • Eric Flint says:

          I think it’s still too early to expand the recommended reading order of the series. That’s because we’ve started at least two new ongoing storylines: the one in Russia begun in Kremlin Games and the naval line centered on Eddie Cantrell. Any additions I made now would have to be changed in a year or two. Besides, I figure anyone who gets through the first dozen or so novels has a pretty good bearing on the series anyway.

  10. Lyle Nelson says:

    As a modern Christian fundamentalist with an open mind I can say that someone would have to have a very closed mind to view anything in these wonderfull books as a ‘tool of close minded Christian propaganda’. The books are what they are, a work of fiction to entertain us. The fact that people respond they way they do shows just how good they are. Thank you for the books and the many hours of joyfull reading.

  11. okay where is the main storyline says:

    Hi, I’m a huge fan of your series (I got into this sort of thing because of Turtledove and David Webers Safehold series). But I am very confused by the list that you have given for your books.

    What I am trying to find are the continuations of the main story line. AKA more along the vein of 1632,33, and 34 the baltic war. I’ll read the rest eventually but I really want to keep with this story line right now and not buy the books that I don’t want to read for a few more months.

    • Vikingted says:

      “okay…” If you want to know what to read in the line you listed, then read these two 1635: The Eastern Front and 1636: The Saxon Uprising. This was discussed above, so I guess you missed this. Then you can wait like the rest of us for more in this mainline series.
      I think I have read every paper version of these books. I believe I have copies of every tree based publication released. My paperback version of 1632 is getting very worn, good thing this story was available on Baen Free Library so I have a backup.
      Thank You Eric and Co. for the great leasure reading! When I travel, I mention this alt history story line to fellow travelers (since I always seem to have one of the books with me to enjoy). Does Baen have any promotion budget for my efforts? ; }

  12. adam says:

    On a whim, brought a lot of this series at auction. Can I say re-reading it, and in the order you had developed, has been a wonderful experience. I just finished 1634: The Galileo Affair – so from this point they are all new.

    So thanks Eric, what a great body of work – it is a joy to read it all again. And starting afresh, has really proven what a wondrous series this is.

  13. Chuck Smith says:

    I REALLY hate to bring this to your attention.
    In the latest novel, 1636 Commander Cantrell in the West Indies, There is something of an error.
    When they are drilling for oil and hit the Methane gas pocket, there is the smell of rotten eggs. Uh, that’s actually an oderant added so that people can smell when they have a natural gas leak.
    Propane has the same problem. I’m not sure if pockets of Hydrogen Sulfide are ofetn associated with oil deposits, but I thought I should bring this to your attention.

    With the greatest of respect,

    Chuck Smith

    • Steve says:

      Good grief!

    • Duane K Wolcott says:

      Sorry, but wrong in two ways. The odorant added to LPG and pipe-to-consumer natural gas is a mercaptan. The “rotten egg” smell from an oil well is hydrogen sulfide, a very, very toxic molecule that occurs naturally in some gas and oil wells. The industry term is “sour gas”. The really bad thing about H2S is that if you “smell rotten eggs” and the smell then disappears, that could be either because the gas is gone OR because the concentration has increased and killed your ability to smell it. That is why ALL oil wells have hydrogen sulfide sensors spaced around the rig—because you can’t rely on smell alone to tell you if things are safe or not.

      Background—I’m a chemist. My wife taught petroleum engineering before we retired, and my sister-in-law is a petroleum geophysicist.

  14. Augustina says:

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  15. Jonathan M. Forester says:

    Eric, I want to say thanks for the 1632 series. I’ve read tens of thousands of books over the last 40+ years, but these are my favorite. So, can you do an update on the reading order?

    Where do the more recent books come in the series reading order?
    1636: The Devil’s Opera
    1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies
    1636: The Viennese Waltz.
    The upcoming 1636: The Vatican Sanction.
    What about the Grantville Gazette’s post #5?


    Jonathan M. Forester

    • Jonathan M. Forester says:

      I just wanted to add that I’ve read them all more than 4-5 times each, except 1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies and 1636: The Viennese Waltz, which I’ve only read twice so far. I’m about to start at the beginning and read all the books and Gazette’s again. That should keep me busy in my free time for 2-3 weeks.

  16. Gert says:

    ˇHello .

    Could this be updated with a regular series readin order with the new books you updated it last like 2 years ago but u already have few other books out and the reading order can be important .

    Otherwise these books are my favorite series i have found in awhile , definatly the top 5 of ongoing book series out there .

  17. Nigel Brand says:

    Dear Eric
    I get a great deal of pleasure out of your books. I have re-read the early ones so often I now have to really think hard when talking about history at that time to work out if my knowledge comes from 1632 etc or from another (historical) source!

    Being a wargamer and amateur military historian I particularly enjoy the military stories in your books and not so much the family dynamics of some of the later ones but I acknowledge different folks enjoy different things. The 1632 community is a very large and diverse one and all power to you and your colleague authors.

    I became an intellectual atheist many a years ago but I have remained a cultural Christian and was brought up an Anglican (Episcopalian in the US) so I enjoy some of the religious and philosophical discussions. I look forward to your characters meeting up with Thomas Hobbes, one of the founders of political science, and Rene Descartes.

    Keep up the good work!


    Nigel Brand

  18. Sunwyn Ravenwood says:

    Hi, I love the books and found something you might find interesting.

    In the utterly fascinating book “Oxygen: The Molecule that made the World” by Nick Lane, he says in the Introduction that in 1621 Cornelius Drebble, a Dutch alchemist, not only bottled pure oxygen, he built the world’s first submarine. “King James, accompanied by thousands of his subjects, stood on the banks of the river Thames to watch its maiden voyage from London to Greenwich, a distance of 10 miles. Manned by twelve oarsmen, the wooden submarine apparently stayed under water for 3 hours.”

    He goes on to describe more about how the oxygen was produced and so forth. I thought you might find that information very interesting. I would love to see Corneilus Drebble show up in your books and his submarine too.

  19. Theodore Kilgore says:

    Having become someone who collects and re-reads various volumes in the 1632 series, I endorse the idea of having a guide to reading order. However, I have a different problem:

    Good stories deserve to be read more than once, and there are stories which I know exist and would like to read againm but which it seems that I can no longer find. For example:

    1. There is the story “Horse Thieves.” There was a previous story which introduced the characters in it. I cannot find the previous story, even though I know I have previously read it.

    2. There is the story “Jenny and the King’s Men.” I cannot find it, either.

    I am pretty sure that I bought the books which contain these respective stories, but to find the stories is at this point to look for a needle in a haystack.

    Thus, I wonder if some kind soul might collect a table listing all of the stories in the ROF series and the Grantville Gazette and put it up somewhere on a website.

    • Noel Caine says:

      Theodore K; the story “Jenny And The King’s Men” is in Grantville Gazette 6, and “Horse Thieves” is in Grantville Gazette 3. (I have an inventory of all my books and short stories; I list short stories by title, author and book title and can almost always find what I’m looking for unless I get the story title wrong).

    • Larry A. Kiser says:

      Hi Theodore;
      The 1632.org website has a story time-frames posted May 20, 2010 and a story timeline posted 2 December 2014.
      I have updated PART of the time-frames spreadsheet to include all GG stories thru GG 58.
      Since I do not own the spreadsheet (and everything is not updated) I could not post it even if I had a website.
      If you can figure out a way for me to get the spreadsheet to yo, I would be willing to share as long as I am not breaking any rules.
      Jenny and the King’s men is in Grantville Gazette is in GG 14 electronic version as well as GG 6 Book version.
      I do not find Horse Thieves in GG 3, I find it in Ring of Fire II.

  20. Noel Caine says:

    Hi Eric;
    I’ve been an SF reader since my school days, starting with Verne and Wells, and my particular preference is for alternate histories. I love the Ring of Fire series and have had some ideas that I’d like to translate into short stories in the Grantville gazette, if they turn out good enough. For this reason I’ve been re-reading all the novels and shorts, noting character names and dates that events happened, so that my story will fit in chronologically. I’ve noticed that a couple of suggestions I made for story plots in Baen’s Bar a couple of years ago, about genealogists researching still-living ancestors and the problem of protecting archaeological treasure sites (like the Valley Of The Kings) also occurred to others who have since written short stories on those very subjects, and this gave me the incentive for working on some other ideas of my own. I’ve got lots of ideas, but of course, putting them into a readable and enjoyable format in a story is another matter. -As well as choosing which story to write first. Hence my research on the flow of events in the published stories. However, having downloaded the enormous list of ROF characters set out in the spreadsheet files (from Baen’s Bar) I’m having trouble finding some Grantville characters who fit the ideas I have. I noticed that there was a “family tree” format file as well, and may investigate that option, since I’m looking for a small family of a particular type as the basis for my plot. Anyway, regardless of whether or not I eventually manage to get something in print, I will keep on checking out my favourite bookstore for the latest paperback editions of the various ROF books. (Waiting for hardcovers to come out in paperback is very frustrating; there’s always the temptation to buy the E-book version -which I do with the Gazette- but I like to have real paper books best).

    • Bjorn Hasseler says:

      Noel, come on over to Baen’s Bar. We can try to find the sort of characters you’re looking for, or the closest thing available.

  21. Jake Boston says:

    I’ve grown to really enjoy the way that characters are already beginning to change history, and I am less than halfway through 1632! This is fantastic. I’ve just finished Harry Turtledove’s “Timeline 191” series, and it feels more like historical satire when compared to this. This feels like a genuine “what-if” in the realm of alternate history, and that is something that I find spectacular. I will say things seem to flow a little easily for everyone in the first novel, but it would be such a shocking and unprecedented event that you either adapt or die. I am curious though, as some novels have been terminated and others have been published, is there any clear reading order beyond, say, “Ring of Fire II”? Actually, if ANYONE could let me know, I would really appreciate it!

  22. Herbert Sakalaucks says:

    One book that was overlooked in the reading order was the Ring of Fire published, “The Danish Scheme”. It fits in at the end of 1633 and 1634, The Baltic War. It involves Denmark’s involvement in settling northern North America and working with the Dutch from New Amsterdam. There is a sequel coming soon, titled “The French Riposte”. It will cover France’s response to Denmark’s settlements and the Dutch response to new developments in Newfoundland.

  23. John Kidwell says:

    I am an avid fan of your 1632 series, and enjoy listening them in Audible editions. Do you have planes to record the rest of the series? The Gazettes and the Ring of Fire anthologies?

  24. Larry A. Kiser says:

    Hi All;
    Since I am not familiar with posting, not having posted before and noticing that my post shows up under 21 December 2014 I am re-posting it here.
    Hi Theodore;
    The 1632.org website has a story time-frames posted May 20, 2010 and a story timeline posted 2 December 2014.
    I have updated PART of the time-frames spreadsheet to include all GG stories thru GG 58.
    Since I do not own the spreadsheet (and everything is not updated) I could not post it even if I had a website.
    If you can figure out a way for me to get the spreadsheet to yo, I would be willing to share as long as I am not breaking any rules.
    Jenny and the King’s men is in Grantville Gazette is in GG 14 electronic version as well as GG 6 Book version.
    I do not find Horse Thieves in GG 3, I find it in Ring of Fire II.

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  26. Andrew Goldstein says:

    Thank you Mr Flint for an entertaining alternative universe. I have just begun reading and have read 1632 and 1633. Your “time-line” of what to read post 1633 will be quite useful for how to spend the few moments of free time I have for reading.

    I am curious if you (or one of the collaborating authors) plan to ever to map out what the year 2000 would be like based on the temporal ‘contamination’ of Grantville’s intrusion into 1632? . Also, would there a be a ring of fire incident caused by an alternative Assiti shard sometime\somewhere around April 2000 (I would suspect it may be different then the incident since this would NOT be the same group of Assiti due to the altered history (due to an accelerated industrial\social revolution). Even the world outside of the original (maybe?) ring of fire would be altered as well by subtracting the population of Grantsville (e.g. that Captain Kirk is never born because one of his ancestors was from Grantsville – sorry, could not resist the Star Trek reference) and again it’s not the original group of Assiti.

  27. Richard Breiholz says:

    Not a reply to a specific post but, the list of titles for the 1632 series is only current up to Sept 8, 2012. I know there are books later than that. What’s up?

  28. debbie says:

    I love the series and am almost done with it. I also picked up the “The Course of the Empire” I loved it so much. I can’t wait to the rest of the “1632” series, I’m almost there for now, and “Crucible.”

  29. Rinri says:

    Tremendous series. I can’t put any of the books down–figuratively speaking, since I listen to them via my Audible app when traveling back and forth to my teaching job.

    Truth be told, I was not a fan of “Ram Rebellion” (mainly because of its anthology format), and I wish I had been able to read (hear) at the beginning of the book the explanation of how the book came to be instead of reading (hearing) it at the end of the book. Alas, like you said, the first two parts are choppy but all come together in the third, which, by reading (hearing) that at the end really just confirmed what I had just realized I had experienced. In *my* mind, a necessary “evil”, but it all worked and ‘came out in the wash’.

    I love the histories and the characters. Too many and too amazing to mention here, but delightful nonetheless, to be sure. Amazing too how you’ve gotten other authors to collaborate with you and it just doesn’t seem to miss a beat. Wonderfully done. It makes me want to pair the setting with “Crusader Kings II” by Paradox. A mod at the very least for that game of kings during the time period of the Ring of Fire would be a masterpiece of fun.

    On a final note….Though it may have pained you a bit to try to cobble together an “order” of reading (I don’t think that is your method of thinking or invention) I appreciate it greatly nonetheless. Reading something while thinking I am missing something, like I walked in late to a movie, is quite annoying, and I thank you kindly again for establishing a generalized reading order for people like me. /bows

    Thank you for your wonderful books. “Amazing” doesn’t do them justice.

  30. Dean Hartley says:

    Is there an update to timeframes.thrugg29.xls? I catalog my books (and their stories) and am using the internal dates for the 1932 series as sequence numbers for the series. It seems to me there must be such an update for the authors so that they can keep their stories coordinated.

  31. Crunch Globble says:

    A hard copy complilation of the grantville gazette would be awesome

  32. Barry Satz says:

    Is there or will be a dvd of any of the 1632-1636 series? how can I get it?-Barry Satz 3057543097,musicdoc@comcast.net. My wife and myself have written and had published by Warner Bros 6 books and cds.

  33. Barry Satz says:

    dvd’s ?

    • David says:

      Barry, it’s not clear what you’re asking for here. If you mean audiobooks, those are available. Just search amazon for Eric Flint audiobooks.

      If you mean actual video productions, like movies or mini-series episodes, nothing like that is available now, although Mammoth Productions, a British production company, has an active option contract to develop a mini-series.

      If neither of those is what you mean, you need to be more specific.

      • LT.Son says:

        “although Mammoth Productions, a British production company, has an active option contract to develop a mini-series.”

        To whom to I send my check?

        Give me this Mini-Series, and I promise, no one will get hurt…

        I have often played “Casting Director” trying to imagine who I’d cast in the various roles.

  34. Mikedefieslife says:

    I wonder. Can one get by reading just the novels in order? I can’t say I’m a fan of short stories since I usually read when on the road, and like to stuck into something meaty.

    • David says:

      For the most part, yes, except that there are stories in the Ring of Fire anthologies that really fit into the main story line. I’d read at least the stories by Eric and by David Weber out of the ROF anthologies.

  35. umbrarchist says:

    What is the readers objective? Is it entertainment or learning?

    1632 to understand the setting then 1636: Kremlin Games for important ideas, like economics and banking. 1636 actually starts only a few months after 1632.

  36. Roger Heller says:

    Despite the Mineworkers Union’s central role in the foundation & several Union members mentioned in US of Europe leadership roles there is little beyond an occasional & rare mention labor unions in later books of the series.
    Is there any future plans to develop a book that centers around the growth or activities of unions in the US of E ?

  37. cat truitt says:

    Mr. Flint:

    I have just recently found your Ring of Fire series. I have enjoyed them and went back to re-read 1632. I am very happy that your series follows mostly historical context and adds characters from history. I am very intrigued with the King of Sweden. I was heartened to see that the King suffered traumatic head injury and now is disabled. Is this temporary and if so does it resolve. I like this historical character and have researched him and his contributions to regular history.

    • David says:

      Gustav is injured in 1635: The Eastern Front. He recovers to some extent in 1636: The Saxon Uprising. As of the end of the book, and the end of the parallel novel, 1636: The Devil’s Opera, he is functional, but has not returned to a pre-injury condition. Eric hasn’t indicated yet whether or not Gustav will be fully healed at some point. Speaking personally, I doubt it. It gives a lot more latitude for interesting story issues if he continues as is. But that’s up to Eric.

  38. Edward McAleer says:

    Mr. Flint,
    I have all your paper editions of the 1632 series. I am glad to see the releases in May 2016, August 2016 and January 2017. I prefer the hard covers.

    I do not read e-books as I already spend to much time in front of a computer.

    Since I do not do this, I know that I have missed many short stories.

    Knowing people and their hobbies and the magazines that are associated with them. I was wondering if a short story was written about quilting being a common ground between people from Grantville and others?

    • Bjorn Hasseler says:

      I haven’t been able to find any stories about quilting in The Grantville Gazette. Perhaps it’s a story that’s meant for you to write?

      I’ve met two people who read the Gazette by actually printing it out on paper. I don’t know if that would be helpful to you or not.


    • LT.Son says:

      in regards to e-readers… Have you tried one of the e-ink devices, like the Amazon Kindle?

      I work all day on computers, and had the same issue when trying to read a book on an iPad. My wife got a Kindle for me, and it is night-and-day! I think not having the light shining directly into your eyes makes all the difference.

  39. Bill S says:

    I have all the novels as ebooks or hardcovers. I subscribe to the Grantville Gazette so I can get my Ring of Fire fix between novels. Thank you Eric for this wonderful work.

  40. Aislinn says:

    Dear Mr. Flint,

    My husband was deployed in Iraq and the American people sent (literally) tons of paperback books to the soldiers stationed there. When they left Iraq those books had to go too. The soldiers were encouraged to take as many as they wanted home with them and David grabbed 1632 because of the picture on the cover ( we do historical reenactment and the armor caught his attention.) David read the book on the long flights home and almost the minute he unpacked he brought me the book and said you HAVE to read this. :D Oh happy day. I fell in love too and we have both devoured the series. This week I finally bought Parcel of Rogues and absolutely loved it. The Eastern Front is my next purchase and I can’t wait. :D
    Anyway, thank you sir for the many entertaining hours you have given us and we are looking forward to reading the rest of the series.

  41. Jason says:

    Dear Mr Flint,
    I encountered the first two books in the ring of fire series while I was deployed to the Persian Gulf in 2006. The ship I was stationed on had a few book selves stuffed with books. I am not sure who donated those books but I was happy to find something I couldn’t put down. I read those two books cover to cover on that deployment… twice. Over the years I have bought and read several of the books in the 1632 series. I noticed a few books on your reading list that I need to check out. Also I appreciate how you added a few details on each book in your list. Thanks for hours of enjoyment and I look forward to the next book.

  42. Scott says:

    My apologies if this was already covered: I just finished Ring of Fire 4 (thanks! Good fun!)
    The maps in the front matter seem to imply that more action has taken place on the Polish front since Gustav Adolf regained his senses, but I’m not sure where to find it.
    Any hints?

    • Eric Flint says:

      There have been no further developments on the Polish front since 1635: THE EASTERN FRONT and 1636: THE SAXON UPRISING, although that will change with the publication of 1636: THE OTTOMAN ONSLAUGHT in January, 2017, because of mumble mumble.

      What you’re seeing in the maps is simply more accuracy in the maps themselves. Mike Knopp has taken over the map-making for the series and he’s been steadily bringing the maps up to date and more in line with each other.

  43. Mike J Nagle says:

    Mr. Flint:

    Back in 2002, I bought a hardcover copy of War of Honor, by David Weber. I had been in love with Honor Harrington since I bought and read The Short Victorious War in 1994, and had read everything Honor from that point, buying each new Honor title as it came out.

    To my surprise, there was a promotional CD included in the book, which contained e-book versions of all of the Honor Harrington books published by Baen up to that point, along with Baen e-books from David Drake, James H. Schmitz, Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and a few other authors I’d never read, or even heard of, before. You were one of those unknown-to-me authors.

    Two of the e-books on the CD were 1632 and 1633. Since you were, in my opinion, in very good company on that CD, I read 1632, just to see how good a writer you were. To say I was very well impressed is an understatement. I have since read, and enjoyed, all the Ring of Fire Books that Baen has released, and avidly await the release of each new title. And not just the ones you’ve written yourself, either. Through your efforts, (and, no doubt, the efforts of Baen’s editors,) many other talented authors have joined you to make the Ring of Fire franchise a stunning, if massive, collection of literature.

    I could go on for quite a while about my admiration for you and your work, but that isn’t really why I’m making this comment here.

    In January, you posted this message about the order in which the Ring of Fire books should be read. Along with the message, you included a link to a flowchart illustrating that reading order. While The flowchart is quite good, it could, in my opinion, be improved. Although it attempts to clarify the various threads in the series using various colors, I think it falls short.

    In order to keep track of the order of the ROF books in my collection, I have, over the years, accumulated many notes, just to keep myself straight. After seeing the flowchart I decided that I could do better.

    I have created two flowchart that follow all of the branching threads among the ROF print volumes, and offer them here for inspection and comment, in the hope that you, and others will find them helpful.

    The first only includes the books published by Baen Books. The second also includes the books published by Ring of Fire Press. They are stored at box.com and should be accessible by all.

    The Baen-only chart can be downloaded at this link.

    The Baen-and-ROF-Press chart can be downloaded at this link.

    Please post replies to this comment if you find any inaccuracies.

    Thank you

    • Mike J Nagle says:


      I already found an inaccuracy in my flowcharts.

      I fixed them, but in order to replace them, I had to delete the old ones, so now the links in my first message don’t work. So, here are the new links:

      The corrected Baen-only chart can be downloaded at this link.

      The correctedBaen-and-ROF-Press chart can be downloaded at this link.

      • Eric Flint says:

        Mike, I like the flow charts but I think they’d be improved if you connected all the “main line” novels by a double line to make them stand out. That would be a double vertical line that connected these novels:
        1634: The Baltic War
        1635: The Eastern Front
        1636: The Saxon Uprising
        1636: The Ottoman Onslaught (forthcoming)

        • Mike J Nagle says:

          You wrote:

          Mike, I like the flow charts but I think they’d be improved if you connected all the “main line” novels by a double line to make them stand out. That would be a double vertical line that connected these novels:
          1634: The Baltic War
          1635: The Eastern Front
          1636: The Saxon Uprising
          1636: The Ottoman Onslaught (forthcoming)

          It seems to me that this is a very good idea. I tried converting the single line for the “main line” thread to a double line, but I didn’t really like the effect. So I instead made the line three times as wide as the others.

          I hope you find the effect to be pleasing.

          The Baen-and-ROF-Press flowchart can be downloaded here.

          For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ll continue to maintain the Baen-only flowchart. After all, everything in it is also in the flowchart that includes the ROF Press titles. I only included it before because I had developed the first chart for my own purposes a few months back; I only added the ROF Press titles yesterday.

          Thanks for the input.



  44. MAB says:

    Sigh, I wish one could get all the books in PRINT!

  45. Mike J Nagle says:

    Mr. Flint:

    Hello, again.

    I’ve done some more work on my reading-order flowchart. I reorganized it so that it is a little bit more compact, and I expanded the explanatory notes. I also changed the box for 1636: The Chronicles of Dr. Gribbleflotz to change its status from forthcoming to released (although it won’t be released until the 2nd of next month), and changed the flowchart to show 1636: The Ottoman Onslaught as being a sequel to 1636: The Viennese Waltz as well as <1636: The Saxon Uprising.

    It’s going to be several months before I update the flowchart again.

    The flowchart can be downloaded here.



  46. Daphne M says:

    I have some of your books in hard copy and some as e-books. I re-read them frequently and enjoy them each time. I would be pleased to see the re-emergence of Mark Cavriani in Italy, and Maria Anna in the Netherlands. They are interesting characters, what would Mark find in the way of iron-bearing ores in Italy? and that feisty Veronica Dreeson, will she be quieter after the death

    of her husband. What is the Danish king going to do next about his daughter and Gustav II Vasa about his daughter? I am sure that you can explore this ‘micro-detail’ among the larger issues of history, much though I enjoy all the ‘wat ifs’

  47. Mike J Nagle says:

    Mr. Flint:

    Hello, again.

    I know I said that it would be several months before I updated the flowchart, and it has only been one month, but here is an updated flowchart, anyway.

    I have improved the flowchart, making it much more compact, and fixing an inconsistency. I recommend that this version be used, as it is more accurate (and prettier, in my opinion).

    The updated flowchart can be downloaded here.

    Also, the way I reorganized the flowchart allowed me to create a lower-resolution version that is still readable (1580 pixels wide, versus 2400 for the original). This version can be downloaded here.

    This should be the last version I develop until after the release of 1636: Mission to the Mughals in April, 2017. (I really mean it, this time. <wink>)


    PS: I posted this message earlier today, but for some unknown reason, it disappeared. If I have somehow committed a faux pas, or somehow violated the TOS, please tell me what I did, and I will refrain from doing so again in the future.

  48. Timothy Kirby says:

    You still need to have a way for us who are your avid readers on the 163X series to get the e-readers in printed paper book form. Is there already a way or will there ever be a way? We should be able to do so. All the E-reader people should be able to get your books in E-reader format and those who read actual paper books should be able to get them in paper book form.
    I am eagerly waiting for the next book to come out. I am a very big fan of your 163x series.

  49. Joseph Smith says:

    So far I’ve read up through ‘Bavarian Crisis’ and I’m enjoying the hell out of your series. Thank you for writing this, you and every author involved! My question for you, though is regarding the e-books ‘Music and Murder’ and ‘Barbie Consortium’. Will those books see a physical printing down the road at all?

    • David says:

      Baen has no plans at the moment to do that. However, we keep hearing rumors that Baen is considering offering some books via Print On Demand technology. If they ever do, maybe these books would be on the list.

    • Eliza says:

      Hi Jason, I have not read anything by Lovecraft (yet), so it did feel slightly original to me. I learned from the publisher that Boccacino is working on a sequel, so I can only hope that some of the confusion is cleared up in it.Have you heard of The White Forest by Adam McOmber? I recently read that, and co72&nd#8l1u;t stop thinking of this book while reading it. I had many of the same issues with The White Forest as I did with Charlotte Markham and the House of Darkling.

  50. Amy says:

    I’m a pretty big fan of the Ring of Fire series. Thank you so much, Mr. Flint; for not only creating this universe, but for allowing so many people to write their own stories. I just have a few quick questions:

    1) Has anyone been following up on the Japanese embassy to the USE?

    2) Why do so many people seem to rag on Mrs. DeMarce? Sure a few people not liking her writing style can be chalked up to different tastes, but “1635: The Dreeson Incident” got over 50% 1-star ratings in the Amazon customer reviews. I read through those same reviews and some users wrote that the low scores were due to how overloaded the novel was with family connections. Since Mrs. DeMarce is very interested in genealogy, I felt that they were implying that she was the target. And outside of that novel, I’ve seen one person telling others to skip her story in “Ring of Fire IV”. Just what is it about her that makes quite a few fans dislike her?

    3) Is anyone interested in a story involving the Spanish Riding School of Vienna? And are there any uptimers who know of dressage?

    • David says:

      Amy –

      We’d love to see a story about the Spanish Riding School. Especially since the next novel deals with Vienna. Check in to the 1632 Tech forum at bar.baen.com to get connected with the Grantville Gazette process.

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