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		<title>By: Summercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with E. I&#039;m thinking that the Safehold series will end when the Church&#039;s hold on Safehold is truely and well broken, with the true history of Safehold propogating across the planet.

I doubt that this trilogy will advance into space and fight the Gbaba. Even with a higher starting-point once the Safeholdians get up to where the Terran Federation were, technologyically, it would take a long time for Safehold to build a space navy capable of taking on the Galactic Bad-Ass Biker Association. Maybe decades, more than likely centuries.

Which would be a topic of a second series, something along &#039;A Crisis Of Faith&#039;, which would lead to a civil war in a nascent Safehold Confederation between hard-line conservatives (Those who believe in the Gbaba and that they must be stopped, but not ready yet, must keep strong power and control) and radical liberals (Who do not believe in the Gbaba and want to remove all the controls and stops the conservatives have put in.)

The interesting bit is where Nimue Alban would place herself - possibly with a small group of progressives, who want to relax SOME of the restrictions and that should they meet the Gbaba, they&#039;ll be able to win in the end (Slightly weaker than Earth was in Apocalypse Troll), but the Gbaba do exist. The only problem is that these moderates are definatly the minority, and I doubt that &#039;Merlin&#039; would make an appearance, else completly fudge up the Safeholdian cultural psyche any further...

...well, that&#039;s how I&#039;d set it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with E. I&#8217;m thinking that the Safehold series will end when the Church&#8217;s hold on Safehold is truely and well broken, with the true history of Safehold propogating across the planet.</p>
<p>I doubt that this trilogy will advance into space and fight the Gbaba. Even with a higher starting-point once the Safeholdians get up to where the Terran Federation were, technologyically, it would take a long time for Safehold to build a space navy capable of taking on the Galactic Bad-Ass Biker Association. Maybe decades, more than likely centuries.</p>
<p>Which would be a topic of a second series, something along &#8216;A Crisis Of Faith&#8217;, which would lead to a civil war in a nascent Safehold Confederation between hard-line conservatives (Those who believe in the Gbaba and that they must be stopped, but not ready yet, must keep strong power and control) and radical liberals (Who do not believe in the Gbaba and want to remove all the controls and stops the conservatives have put in.)</p>
<p>The interesting bit is where Nimue Alban would place herself &#8211; possibly with a small group of progressives, who want to relax SOME of the restrictions and that should they meet the Gbaba, they&#8217;ll be able to win in the end (Slightly weaker than Earth was in Apocalypse Troll), but the Gbaba do exist. The only problem is that these moderates are definatly the minority, and I doubt that &#8216;Merlin&#8217; would make an appearance, else completly fudge up the Safeholdian cultural psyche any further&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;well, that&#8217;s how I&#8217;d set it up.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complain, complain, complain.  If you don&#039;t like it, let it be.  Some stuff is hard to read as snippets.  I&#039;ve had to stop reading the mainline 163x novels in snippet form, because the universe has grown too complex to enjoy in tiny bits.  I find it more enjoyable to wait for the novels, or to read the previews in big gulps over at fifthimperium.  I&#039;m new to Weber, so he has yet to try my patience.  If he irritates you, then move on, like many have done with Turtledove, and each of us has done with particular authors.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complain, complain, complain.  If you don&#8217;t like it, let it be.  Some stuff is hard to read as snippets.  I&#8217;ve had to stop reading the mainline 163x novels in snippet form, because the universe has grown too complex to enjoy in tiny bits.  I find it more enjoyable to wait for the novels, or to read the previews in big gulps over at fifthimperium.  I&#8217;m new to Weber, so he has yet to try my patience.  If he irritates you, then move on, like many have done with Turtledove, and each of us has done with particular authors.  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that seems to strike me about this series is the inherent professionalism displayed by each member of Merlin&#039;s Cadre. The fact that each of them is doing their jobs and are  acting on perceived areas of improvement with barely any qualms is generating a case of &quot;too-perfect&quot; development. I mean, they should at least begin to demand more answers from Merlin regardless of risking his departure  because he clearly does not wish to depart. It&#039;s getting to where the progress  of the stories is somewhat distressing: 2 years in 1.2 books? How long will it take to get to &quot;modern&quot; levels much less advance into space? My bet  is that Weber will end up having to time-gap his novels, having Merlin disappear, leaving St. Zherneaus in charge?, for a time while he sleeps it off (maybe he can return as Nimue next time). Heck, Weber might even let someone else take  the puppetmaster reins, like a trainee of Merlin&#039;s in another kingdom. 

What  I want to know is 1: Will weber take shortcuts or see the detailed stories through? 2: Does Nimue ever  get to  come  back? and 3: Where&#039;s Elvis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that seems to strike me about this series is the inherent professionalism displayed by each member of Merlin&#8217;s Cadre. The fact that each of them is doing their jobs and are  acting on perceived areas of improvement with barely any qualms is generating a case of &#8220;too-perfect&#8221; development. I mean, they should at least begin to demand more answers from Merlin regardless of risking his departure  because he clearly does not wish to depart. It&#8217;s getting to where the progress  of the stories is somewhat distressing: 2 years in 1.2 books? How long will it take to get to &#8220;modern&#8221; levels much less advance into space? My bet  is that Weber will end up having to time-gap his novels, having Merlin disappear, leaving St. Zherneaus in charge?, for a time while he sleeps it off (maybe he can return as Nimue next time). Heck, Weber might even let someone else take  the puppetmaster reins, like a trainee of Merlin&#8217;s in another kingdom. </p>
<p>What  I want to know is 1: Will weber take shortcuts or see the detailed stories through? 2: Does Nimue ever  get to  come  back? and 3: Where&#8217;s Elvis?</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Merlin might also teach the good old boys about how guerrilla tactics work to destroy even the most orderly armies. Specialized infantry can be used at first for the new tactics with expansions into squad tactics and multi-operational tactics later (though multi-operational tactics occur primarily with an air force helping an army/navy, I believe that  artillery boats would provide  a suitable reason for expanding the tactical capabilities of the standard army squad.)

Also I forgot to mention in the tech development section:

Smoke warfare
Better grenades (stick  grenades maybe)
and dehydrated  rations (hurray... :( )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Merlin might also teach the good old boys about how guerrilla tactics work to destroy even the most orderly armies. Specialized infantry can be used at first for the new tactics with expansions into squad tactics and multi-operational tactics later (though multi-operational tactics occur primarily with an air force helping an army/navy, I believe that  artillery boats would provide  a suitable reason for expanding the tactical capabilities of the standard army squad.)</p>
<p>Also I forgot to mention in the tech development section:</p>
<p>Smoke warfare<br />
Better grenades (stick  grenades maybe)<br />
and dehydrated  rations (hurray&#8230; <img src='http://www.ericflint.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My predictions for the upcoming weapons developments are as follows:

Incendiary anti-ship rounds, possibly shaped.
Explosive anti-infantry rounds.
Puckle Guns (Basically the equivalent of belt-fed Gatlings that have more primitive cartridges and a slower rate of fire).
Specialized infantry. (Explosives experts, engineers, etc.)
Basic bulletproof vestments (using composite materials available on Charis like that bamboo analogue&#039;s fibers)
Binoculars

Artillery tactics that  work beyond visual range, angle of fire, trajectory analysis, etc... And flag/lamp signals to boot (Merlin can introduce Morse Code).

As to the Order of Saint Zherneau, I believe that Merlin is about to find a means of introducing a cultural revolution by proxy of the brotherhood, like his technological proxies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My predictions for the upcoming weapons developments are as follows:</p>
<p>Incendiary anti-ship rounds, possibly shaped.<br />
Explosive anti-infantry rounds.<br />
Puckle Guns (Basically the equivalent of belt-fed Gatlings that have more primitive cartridges and a slower rate of fire).<br />
Specialized infantry. (Explosives experts, engineers, etc.)<br />
Basic bulletproof vestments (using composite materials available on Charis like that bamboo analogue&#8217;s fibers)<br />
Binoculars</p>
<p>Artillery tactics that  work beyond visual range, angle of fire, trajectory analysis, etc&#8230; And flag/lamp signals to boot (Merlin can introduce Morse Code).</p>
<p>As to the Order of Saint Zherneau, I believe that Merlin is about to find a means of introducing a cultural revolution by proxy of the brotherhood, like his technological proxies.</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuri,

I agree on your point.  For my space opera novel, I quite deliberately gave the side you saw the advantage of numbers but a very serious technical inferiority.

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuri,</p>
<p>I agree on your point.  For my space opera novel, I quite deliberately gave the side you saw the advantage of numbers but a very serious technical inferiority.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an alternative to a shell gun or rifling on the 12 pounder, at moderately greater expense it is a small step form a unit-loaded round to the British Napoleonic secret weapon that actually worked, namely shrapnel: the timed fuse on the back of the shell was ignited by firing, not by loading a shell with lit fuse as seen in the Lord Kalvan series.  I agree that chain is an interesting possibility, but do not recall it being used effectively on land:  unless the plane of rotation is very horizontal, you have to aim high or one ball will strike the ground surface, disrupting the flight.

I agree that Tarot is far weaker than Corisande, not to mention that instead of invading Corisande the alliance might invade Zebediah and install the Duke as a Prince of a nominally somewhat independent state.  However, Tarot is closer, and is a sea power that if it recovered might be able to ferry an army from one of the mainland empires onto Charis.  At the moment, Charis has near-total control of the sea, but concentrating against Charis would weaken this control.

On yet another hand, at this point Chisholm has naval superiority over Corisande, has some sort of an army not lost at sea, and rather than sitting on her backside the Queen of Chisholm might start trimming away at Corisande without being polite about waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an alternative to a shell gun or rifling on the 12 pounder, at moderately greater expense it is a small step form a unit-loaded round to the British Napoleonic secret weapon that actually worked, namely shrapnel: the timed fuse on the back of the shell was ignited by firing, not by loading a shell with lit fuse as seen in the Lord Kalvan series.  I agree that chain is an interesting possibility, but do not recall it being used effectively on land:  unless the plane of rotation is very horizontal, you have to aim high or one ball will strike the ground surface, disrupting the flight.</p>
<p>I agree that Tarot is far weaker than Corisande, not to mention that instead of invading Corisande the alliance might invade Zebediah and install the Duke as a Prince of a nominally somewhat independent state.  However, Tarot is closer, and is a sea power that if it recovered might be able to ferry an army from one of the mainland empires onto Charis.  At the moment, Charis has near-total control of the sea, but concentrating against Charis would weaken this control.</p>
<p>On yet another hand, at this point Chisholm has naval superiority over Corisande, has some sort of an army not lost at sea, and rather than sitting on her backside the Queen of Chisholm might start trimming away at Corisande without being polite about waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really annoying .With Weber ”Good guys” always have initiative, better technology,
  better commanders, perfect intelligence .The only advantage evil have is numbers.
I wish real life worked like that. Take Nazis, bunch of vicious evil bustards ,but they new how to fight .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really annoying .With Weber ”Good guys” always have initiative, better technology,<br />
  better commanders, perfect intelligence .The only advantage evil have is numbers.<br />
I wish real life worked like that. Take Nazis, bunch of vicious evil bustards ,but they new how to fight .</p>
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		<title>By: alibaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>alibaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... new weapon...
if range is not an advantage of the 12&#039;ver, get rid of it, since it&#039;s heavy. Build volley guns or gatling guns instead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; new weapon&#8230;<br />
if range is not an advantage of the 12&#8242;ver, get rid of it, since it&#8217;s heavy. Build volley guns or gatling guns instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Van Dessel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Van Dessel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with George on this one. Emerald is getting ready to surrender. No doubting that. I think they&#039;ll be going after Corisande myself, mostly because Cayleb really doesn&#039;t like him. Tarot is closer, but probably less of a threat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with George on this one. Emerald is getting ready to surrender. No doubting that. I think they&#8217;ll be going after Corisande myself, mostly because Cayleb really doesn&#8217;t like him. Tarot is closer, but probably less of a threat</p>
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