Comments on: 1634: THE BAVARIAN CRISIS — snippet 6 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/ News announcements and snippets by Eric Flint Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:52:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jay W. Simson http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34217 Jay W. Simson Tue, 01 May 2007 13:54:47 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34217 What the flag apparently looks like is the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and not the Stars and Bars. The Stars and Bars or the first Confederate national flag greatly resembled the flag of the the United States in that in the uper left corner were seven and eventually elven stars on a blue field. Instead of thirteen alternating red and white stripes there were three alternating red and white bars. The battle flag was created because upon the battlefield the Star and Stripes and the Stars and Bars were too similar causing endless confustiong. The Army of Northern Virginia's battleflag solved that problem since it looked nothing like the United States flag. As a matter of fact the Army of Tennessee in western theatre had an entirely different battle flag. What the flag apparently looks like is the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and not the Stars and Bars. The Stars and Bars or the first Confederate national flag greatly resembled the flag of the the United States in that in the uper left corner were seven and eventually elven stars on a blue field. Instead of thirteen alternating red and white stripes there were three alternating red and white bars.
The battle flag was created because upon the battlefield the Star and Stripes and the Stars and Bars were too similar causing endless confustiong. The Army of Northern Virginia’s battleflag solved that problem since it looked nothing like the United States flag.
As a matter of fact the Army of Tennessee in western theatre had an entirely different battle flag.

]]> By: Lou Maull http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34184 Lou Maull Tue, 01 May 2007 04:14:42 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34184 oops 1633 not 1634 oops 1633 not 1634

]]> By: Lou Maull http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34181 Lou Maull Tue, 01 May 2007 03:00:51 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34181 Eric, Thanks for the rapid response. I am assuming that this is chapter 62 of The Baltic War? (Yes, Thanks Gil) That book releases tomorrow, and I haven't read it yet. I may have all of the GG via ebook, but at my heart, I like paper. Sir, I love your prose, and your frequency. 1632 was fun, but you had me at the Stearns/Simpson dock scene in 1634. Thank you for the ROF. Eric,

Thanks for the rapid response.

I am assuming that this is chapter 62 of The Baltic War? (Yes, Thanks Gil) That book releases tomorrow, and I haven’t read it yet. I may have all of the GG via ebook, but at my heart, I like paper.

Sir, I love your prose, and your frequency.

1632 was fun, but you had me at the Stearns/Simpson dock scene in 1634.

Thank you for the ROF.

]]> By: mark http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34178 mark Tue, 01 May 2007 01:38:21 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34178 "...was an stately..." “…was an stately…”

]]> By: Gerhard http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34175 Gerhard Tue, 01 May 2007 01:24:47 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34175 The "traditional" German colours are Black-Red-Gold (different order). The "tradition" actually only started in 1813 or so. The Weimar Republic - founded after world war I - was the first German state to fly that flag (after previous use in the 19th century). The colours of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation were black and gold only. The “traditional” German colours are Black-Red-Gold (different order). The “tradition” actually only started in 1813 or so. The Weimar Republic – founded after world war I – was the first German state to fly that flag (after previous use in the 19th century).

The colours of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation were black and gold only.

]]> By: Gil Norton http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34159 Gil Norton Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:06:25 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34159 s is explained in 1634, The Baltic War, the flag is the one adopted by the USE. The colors are red, black, and white, and it is described as being "Superficially similar to the Confederate Battle Flag." The number of stars is different, too. s is explained in 1634, The Baltic War, the flag is the one adopted by the USE. The colors are red, black, and white, and it is described as being “Superficially similar to the Confederate Battle Flag.” The number of stars is different, too.

]]> By: Eric http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34157 Eric Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:58:53 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34157 It's not a Confederate battle flag. It's the flag of the United States of Europe. The colors are red, gold and black, which are the traditional German colors, not the red, white and blue of the Confederate flag. At the center of it is the Swedish royal crest. This is explained quite clearly in the text, in Chapter 62, on pages 644-645: "He could see the flag they were flying, too, which was the new flag adopted by the United States of Europe after it was formed—by which time Eddie himself was a Danish prisoner of war—not the flag he’d been familiar with. That had been the flag of the New United States, which was an adaptation of the up-time flag of the U.S.A. A different pattern for the stars, but the same familiar red and white stripes. Since the Confederated Principalities of Europe had been a loose confederation rather than having the federal structure of the USE, the CPE’s navy had actually been the NUS navy. Just on loan, so to speak. The CPE had never had a flag of its own. "Eddie had never seen the USE flag up close, and Ulrik’s depiction of its design had been rather vague. From this distance, it looked remarkably like a Confederate battle flag from the American Civil War. At least, it clearly had the same stars and bars design, even if Eddie couldn’t really make out the stars that well. But the color scheme was quite different. The USE’s colors were the traditional German red, black and gold, not the red, white and blue of American custom—whether Union or Confederate. And the black crossed bars on this new flag were considerably thinner than the blue crossed bars of the Confederate flag. The end result was that, from a distance, the USE flag mostly just looked like a big red flag." It only looks like a Confederate flag from a distance, due to the red field and the crossed bars. But neither red fields nor crossed bars are unique to the Confederacy. Eric It’s not a Confederate battle flag. It’s the flag of the United States of Europe. The colors are red, gold and black, which are the traditional German colors, not the red, white and blue of the Confederate flag. At the center of it is the Swedish royal crest.

This is explained quite clearly in the text, in Chapter 62, on pages 644-645:

“He could see the flag they were flying, too, which was the new flag adopted by the United States of Europe after it was formed—by which time Eddie himself was a Danish prisoner of war—not the flag he’d been familiar with. That had been the flag of the New United States, which was an adaptation of the up-time flag of the U.S.A. A different pattern for the stars, but the same familiar red and white stripes. Since the Confederated Principalities of Europe had been a loose confederation rather than having the federal structure of the USE, the CPE’s navy had actually been the NUS navy. Just on loan, so to speak. The CPE had never had a flag of its own.

“Eddie had never seen the USE flag up close, and Ulrik’s depiction of its design had been rather vague. From this distance, it looked remarkably like a Confederate battle flag from the American Civil War. At least, it clearly had the same stars and bars design, even if Eddie couldn’t really make out the stars that well. But the color scheme was quite different. The USE’s colors were the traditional German red, black and gold, not the red, white and blue of American custom—whether Union or Confederate. And the black crossed bars on this new flag were considerably thinner than the blue crossed bars of the Confederate flag. The end result was that, from a distance, the USE flag mostly just looked like a big red flag.”

It only looks like a Confederate flag from a distance, due to the red field and the crossed bars. But neither red fields nor crossed bars are unique to the Confederacy.

Eric

]]> By: Lou Maull http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/comment-page-1/#comment-34144 Lou Maull Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:37:53 +0000 http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2007/04/30/1634-the-bavarian-crisis-snippet-6/#comment-34144 The cover art for 1634:TBC is on Amazon.com May I ask why the confederate battle flag is on the fuselage? West Virginia remained Loyal to the Union, and was not party to Treason. And Col. Wood roots for the Boilermakers, not the Crimson Tide or the Gamecocks. I respectfully suggest someone talks to the Art Department about a new draft. Redneck does not necessarily mean you hate visiting Appomattox Court House. The cover art for 1634:TBC is on Amazon.com

May I ask why the confederate battle flag is on the fuselage?

West Virginia remained Loyal to the Union, and was not party to Treason.

And Col. Wood roots for the Boilermakers, not the Crimson Tide or the Gamecocks.

I respectfully suggest someone talks to the Art Department about a new draft.

Redneck does not necessarily mean you hate visiting Appomattox Court House.

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